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Harvard vs. Yale Football 2014

“The Game”. The ancient rivalry actually meant something this year with Yale coming into the game 8-1 and Harvard undefeated, the Ivy League title was on the line. The game didn’t disappoint, Harvard won 31-24 in the final seconds.

Listening to the broadcast can be interesting as the commentators drop little bits of Ivy League recruiting information between plays. A few interesting takeaways:

Transferring in as an Ivy Athlete

Transferring into Harvard or Yale is even more competitive than being accepted as a freshman. For the Yale website, in a given year they receive over 1000 transfer applications and generally have room for 20-30 students. So that’s a 2% – 3% acceptance rate. The question comes up occasionally if the coach can offer any admissions support for an incoming transfer athlete. The answer is, yes.

The Yale quarterback, Morgan Roberts, had been recruited by Yale coming out of high-school but ended up at Clemson as a backup QB. At some point he apparently decided he’d rather be at Yale and was able to get a release from Clemson and re-initiate the recruiting conversation with the Yale coach. Morgan transferred in and has been a key part of Yale’s success this season. So we can say, yes it’s possible for a coach to support the application of a transfer athlete. But this support may be a little easier to come by as a strong quarterback than it would be for, say, a cross country runner or a lacrosse player.


Playing as a walk-on athlete

Another question that comes up is if it’s possible to walk-on as an Ivy football player, and if you do, will you see any playing time?  Again the answer is yes and yes. The final play of the game was an interception by Harvard’s defensive back Scott Peters.  Peter’s, according the Harvard Crimson, was a walk-on.  A walk-on, in Ivy League terms, means an athlete admitted without any sort of admissions support from the athletic department.  Peters, it seems, didn’t get a lot of playing time this year – but was on the field to make the final play of the biggest game of the year. Something he’ll remember for the rest of his life, no doubt.






When Colleges Compete, You Win!

Athletic recruiting at the selective Tier 1 colleges comes down to 2 things: admissions support and an acceptable financial aid offer. The likelihood of achieving both of those is greatly increased if there is more than one selective college recruiting you.

Let’s start with admissions support. Whether we’re talking about Likely Letters in the Ivy League or being told that you’re on the coach’s list in the NESCAC or Patriot League, it’s important to remember what purpose those early indications serve from the perspective of the college. The Likely Letter is not a reward for your strong athletics and academics. The Likely Letter is an early-indication tool that the school uses to let a potential recruit know that he or she will be admitted (barring any major screw-ups). Since Regular Decision notifications aren’t given until early April, the schools know that many athletes will be under pressure to make their commitments much earlier than that and the LL gives them the assurance they need to pass on the other offers. The school uses this tool if they feel there is a good chance you’ll take an offer elsewhere. If no other competing school is recruiting, the incentive for a school to give you that early indication is not as strong.

The other important component is the financial aid offer. Many of the Tier 1 colleges only offer need-based financial aid. You submit your CSS and FAFSA forms and the financial aid computer spits out a number. That number is going to vary a lot depending on the school. Endowment size vs. enrollment allow some schools to be much more generous than others. Here’s a link to Ivy League financial aid comparisons that shows just how much they can vary. But those numbers aren’t written in stone. If an athlete has a financial aid offer from another school within the conference, there’s a very good chance that School 1 will attempt to match the offer from School 2. Without a competing offer, there isn’t much incentive for the school to improve their offer.

So even if you are getting interest from your dream school, you won’t be doing yourself any favors if you close the doors too soon. Strong interest from other schools, especially within the conference, will only improve your chance for admissions support and a good financial aid package.

Track and Field Recruiting Standards in the Ivy League

“I run the 400 and the 800, how fast do I have to be to get recruited at Dartmouth? (or Brown or Harvard, etc.)” I hear variations of this question a lot. The typical answer is to check the roster and see the times of the current athletes on the team to get an idea.  The problem with that approach is that a team may be weak in a certain event, but that doesn’t mean the coach is looking for more runners in that range.  So you may look at a team roster and see that they have 3 women running the 400m in 1:00 this year and think that might be a good fit, but running the 400 in 1:00 will never score points at the conference championships (aka Heps). In fact, it’s very rare for anything over 56 seconds to score points, and that’s the name of the game for every coach.

But what about a good athlete developing into a great runner in college, will a coach take your potential into account even if your times aren’t the greatest? To some extent, yes, a natural athlete that is putting up good marks with little training can indicate good upside potential, but it’s just so difficult to judge. Even high school standouts that are hitting the time standards can have a frustrating way of never hitting their high school marks once they get in college, so the trajectory of a track career is impossible to predict. The safest bet is recruiting an athlete that is already very close to being competitive in the conference.

The following times and distances are good general guidelines as far as Ivy League Track and Field recruiting standards. They’re based on conference meet results as well as conversations and correspondence with coaches.

Bear in mind, hitting these standards doesn’t mean that you’ll necessarily be recruited, several other factors come into play. First and foremost, your academics. Check how strong your academics are with the Academic Index calculator. If you’re hitting these track and field standards, and your Academic Index is strong, it’s still going to depend on the team’s needs in any given year as well as the quality of the other recruits. But you want to get an idea of Ivy League Track and Field recruiting standards, here’s our best estimates:


  • 100m – 12.2
  • 200m – 25.2
  • 400m – 57.4
  • 100h – 14.8
  • 300h – 46.0
  • 400h – 1:03
  • 800m – 2:15
  • 1600m – 5:00
  • 3200m – 10:50
  • High Jump – 5’5″
  • Long Jump – 18’0″
  • Triple Jump – 37’11”
  • Pole Vault – 12’0″
  • Shot Put – 43′
  • Discus – 138′
  • Javelin – 130′
  • Hammer – 160′
  • 5K – 17:45



  • 100m – 10.94
  • 200m – 22.0
  • 400m – 49.0
  • 110h – 14.6
  • 300h – 38.9
  • 400h – 54.9
  • 800m – 1:54
  • 1600m – 4:17
  • 3200m – 9:20
  • High Jump – 6’6″
  • Long Jump – 22’10”
  • Triple Jump – 47′
  • Pole Vault  – 15’3″
  • Shot Put – 59′
  • Discus – 180′
  • Javelin – 192′
  • Hammer – 180′

These are general guidelines for recruited athletes, that is, athletes that are likely to have admissions support. Each team also has a fair number of walk-on athletes on the roster. Walks-on standards are not as high, obviously, but still at the level of a very strong HS varsity athlete.



The “Soft Likely Letter” in the Ivy League

Although it’s written clearly in the Ivy League Common Agreement that a Likely Letter may only be issued after October 1st of the applicant’s Senior year, there are tales of early or “soft” Likely Letters being issued well before the October 1st date, sometimes as early as a student’s Junior year of high school. These “soft likely letters” are supposedly emailed to the recruit and are verbatim copies of the actual printed likely letter that is mailed by the admissions office after October 1st.

It’s no secret that some sports run on a much earlier recruiting timetable than others. I’ve written about that practice before. If an Ivy lacrosse or hockey coach waits until the fall of senior year, he’ll be out-recruited by the rest of the Division 1 programs that are pressing kids for verbal commitments in the Sophomore and Junior years. It’s not unusual for an Ivy coach to tell an athlete early in the process that he will put him up for a likely if he can count on the athlete committing. An ethical coach will make it clear, however, that only admissions can admit him and admissions won’t make that decision until the complete application is submitted. But coaches of the early-commit sports are under pressure to make their offers sound as solid as possible to prevent another competing coach from planting a seed of doubt it the recruit’s head. And that may be the rationale behind the “soft likely”.

I can’t believe any Ivy League admissions office would have any part in sending early correspondence to a recruit and blatantly violating the terms of the Ivy League agreement. I think it’s far more likely that a coach may be using the text of the LL in his email to secure his recruit early and stop him from talking to other coaches. Maybe there is some small print preceding the text that indicates this is not an actual likely letter, or maybe it says “if you were to receive an actual likely letter, it would look like this” Either way, people hear what they want to hear and a “soft likely” might give a recruit a false sense of how certain his admission will be.  In my opinion, any coach that would take it upon himself to issue a “soft likely” is going beyond the limits of ethical recruiting behavior.

So if you are a Junior hockey player and are emailed a “soft likely”, I think your best response would be a “soft commit.” Understand that your recruiting journey isn’t over until you hear it, in writing, from the admissions office.

Early Decision and Likely Letters for Ivy League Athletes

Official visits are starting soon, and in the Ivy League that means the beginning of Likely Letter offers and coach requests to apply Early Decision or Early Action. The fact that you can only apply Early Decision or Early Action to one school, combined with the reality that an EA/ED application is strongly encouraged by the coach if one is to be a Likely Letter candidate, can leave the athlete (and parents) feeling stressed and out-of-control of the recruiting process.

But there is a way that you can hold off on playing your one-and-only Early Decision card until you have the precious Likely Letter in hand. The strategy may not work with every coach at every school, but a reader of this blog informed me that it worked perfectly for his daughter, who will be competing as an Ivy athlete this fall.

So what’s the strategy? Well, I’m not trying to be coy here, but I think if I just put this out there on every search engine it could lose its effectiveness. So if you’ve supported this site and the Kimberly Gillary Foundation by purchasing The Essential Guide to Ivy League Athletic Recruiting, just drop me an email and include the last website listed at the very end of the guide book and I’ll email you back with the details.

Note, added 10/25: Now that we’re a week away from the Early Decision deadline, there really isn’t enough time to implement the strategy. So, as much as I’d like you to buy the guide, I feel I should let you know that it’s too late to implement the strategy this year.

The Ivy League Common Agreement

Common Ivy League Agreement

The Ivy League is an association of eight institutions of higher education, established in 1954 primarily for the purpose of fostering amateurism in athletics. Relations between the member institutions have grown over the years, and representatives of these institutions now meet regularly at a variety of levels to discuss topics which range from the purely academic to the purely athletic and from fundamental educational philosophy to procedures in admissions.

Each member institution has its own identity and character and protects its right to pursue its own educational objectives. Thus, although the Ivy League institutions are similar in many respects, each member institution will continue to make its own independent admission decisions according to its own particular admissions policy. In recent years, however, it has become clear that the transition between secondary school and institutions of higher education has become increasingly complex and that greater efforts should be made to simplify the process through more uniform admissions procedures. It is our hope that by outlining carefully the procedures under which we are operating and by clearly specifying the obligations of both the applicant and the institution, we can help students pursue their college interests free of unnecessary confusion and pressure.

1. General Procedures

All contacts with students by representatives of Ivy institutions are intended to provide assistance and information and should be free of any activity that applies undue pressure on the candidate. No information referring to the admission or financial-aid status of an applicant to any Ivy institution may be considered official unless it is received directly from that institution’s admission or financial aid office.

Ivy institutions mail admission decision letters twice annually, in mid-December and late March/early April. Those who wish a decision in December must apply by November 1. A student may not file more than one early application within the Ivy League.

2. December Notification

Under December Notification, an applicant may be notified that he or she has been granted or denied admission or that a final decision has been deferred until the late March/early April notification date. Two plans are offered according to individual institutional policy:

a. The College Board-approved Early Decision Plan, which is offered by Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, and the University of Pennsylvania, requires a prior commitment to matriculate. Financial aid awards for those qualifying for financial assistance will normally be announced in full detail at the same time as the admission decisions. An applicant receiving admission and an adequate financial award under the Early Decision Plan will be required to accept that offer of admission and withdraw all applications to other colleges or universities. All Ivy institutions will honor any required commitment to matriculate that has been made to another college under this plan. Coaches from other Ivy League institutions are prohibited from having any recruiting contact with prospects who have been accepted under this plan.

b. A Single Choice Early Action Plan is offered by Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. This plan does not require a commitment to matriculate, and students may apply to other colleges under those colleges’ regular admission programs (spring notification of final admission decision) but not to another institution’s Early Action or Early Decision program. Students admitted under Early Action will be sent a financial aid offer when they receive their acceptance decision if they have completed all of the required financial aid forms.

Students are urged to consult the admission literature available at each Ivy institution for details concerning its particular December Notification Plan.

3. Early Evaluation Procedure

a. As determined by each institution, admissions offices may choose to advise applicants of the probability of admission (e.g., likely, possible, unlikely). Institutions may issue likely letters only in writing, from the office of admission. Likely letters will have the effect of letters of admission, to be confirmed on the common notification date, subject to revocation only on the same terms as letters of admission.

b. Within each institution’s overall admissions process, from October 1 through March 15 an admissions office may issue probabilistic communications, in writing, to applicants who are recruited student-athletes. (Such communications given by coaches, whether orally or in writing, do not constitute binding institutional commitments.) An applicant who receives one or more such written communications and who has made a decision to matriculate at one institution is encouraged (but not required) to notify all other institutions, and to withdraw all other applications, as promptly as possible.

c. A coach may both inquire about a candidate’s level of commitment to an Ivy institution, or interest in attending that Ivy institution, and encourage that interest. However, a candidate may not be required to make a matriculation commitment, to withdraw other applications, or to refrain from visiting another institution, as a condition for receiving a “likely” letter, or an estimate of financial aid eligibility, or a coach’s support in the admissions process. In addition, coaches may not request that candidates not share estimates of financial aid eligibility with other schools.

d. An institution ordinarily may send a “likely” probabilistic communication letter to a candidate (whether or not the applicant is a recruited athlete) only if the applicant has submitted all of the materials which the institution requires in order to make an admissions decision. Infrequently and for compelling reasons, an institution may send such a “likely” communication that does not have “all” of those materials, as provided below, but only if: (i) the other materials in the applicant’s file at that time provide the institution with a clear basis for making a binding positive admissions decision about the applicant, consistent with the institution’s general standards for making such decisions; and (ii) the material in question is submitted before a final letter of admission is issued. In these circumstances, a “likely” communication may be based on a file that includes an official application, an official transcript, the SAT or ACT examination, one essay, and at least one recommendation from the student’s school (either teacher recommendation or administrator recommendation).

e. An Ivy school may respond at any time beginning October 1 should a non-Ivy school offer admission to a recruited student-athlete with a reply date prior to the common Ivy notification date.

4. Common Notification Date

On a common date, usually in late March or early April, applicants to the Ivy institutions will be notified of admission decisions and financial aid awards, unless they have been notified earlier under Early Decision Plan or Early Action Plan procedures. (Letters are mailed beginning in February for the Schools of Hotel Administration, and Industrial and Labor Relations at Cornell, and beginning in February for the School of Nursing at Penn.)

5. Financial Aid

All the Ivy institutions follow the common policy that any financial aid for student-athletes will be awarded and renewed on the sole basis of economic need with no differentiation in amount or in kind (e.g. packaging) based on athletic ability or participation, provided that each school shall apply its own standard of economic need. The official award of aid may only be made at or subsequent to the time of admission.

Only the Office of Financial Aid has the authority to award financial aid on behalf of the institution, and applicants should rely only on formal communications from these offices. No suggestion that financial aid may be available that comes from anyone else associated with the institution is binding on the institution. No applicant should consider or accept an offer of financial help from an alumnus, and any such offer should be reported immediately to the Office of Financial Aid.

6. Common Reply Date

Except for those applicants admitted under the College Board-approved Early Decision Plan, which requires a prior commitment to matriculate, no candidate admitted to any of the Ivy institutions will be required to announce his or her decision to accept or decline an offer of admission until the Common Reply Date of May 1. All such candidates may delay their commitment to attend until May 1 without prejudice. By that date all admitted candidates must affirm in writing their single choice.

The preceding paragraph does not preclude students from remaining on active waiting lists and withdrawing promptly from their original college choice upon receiving subsequent waiting list acceptance to another institution. However, the Ivy institutions reserve their right to rescind acceptance decisions from candidates who make commitments to and who hold confirmed places at more than one institution concurrently. Students who choose to remain on an active waiting list after May 1 will receive a final response no later than July 1.

7. Participating Institutions

Brown University, Columbia College, Cornell University, Dartmouth College, Harvard University, University of Pennsylvania, Princeton University, Yale University

Early Decision for Ivy League Athletic Recruits

I got a note from someone going through the Ivy League recruiting process and her questions brought me back to the gut-wrenching, 11th hour dealings we experienced on the night before the Early Action deadline. Hopefully, I can help someone else avoid that…

I have some questions about Early Action and Early Decision and how that plays out if you are a recruited athlete in the Ivy League. First, should the athlete ask for a likely letter when deciding whether to apply EA or ED?  If the coach refuses your request for a Likely Letter or gives a reason you cannot get one, should the athlete be more wary and maybe consider other schools, programs?

In addition, we are trying to figure out what, if anything, the current dialogue means and how dependable it is. It seems that a lot of problems can be mitigated somewhat by asking the right direct questions, but maybe not. And I do realize that Admissions Committee admits (coaches don’t), but presumably with academic pre-reads and knowledgeable, experienced coaches, the chance of being blind-sided should be reduced, right?

Just to be clear, Early Decision is binding and Early Action is not. So if you designate your application ED and you are accepted, you agree that you will withdraw any other applications and will attend that school. Early Action, on the other hand is non-binding.

In the Ivy League, Cornell, Brown, Dartmouth, Columbia and Penn have Early Decision and Harvard, Yale and Princeton have ‘Single-Choice Early Action’, which means that you are not obligated to enroll if accepted, but you can only designate one school as your early choice.

Coaches like to use the ‘early application’ as a way to get a commitment from a recruit. Although the Common Ivy Agreement states,

“A coach may both inquire about a candidate’s level of commitment to an Ivy institution, or interest in attending that Ivy institution, and encourage that interest. However, a candidate may not be required to make a matriculation commitment, to withdraw other applications, or to refrain from visiting another institution, as a condition for receiving a “likely” letter,”

The reality is that part of “inquiring and encouraging commitment” usually means the recruit will be encouraged to demonstrate that commitment by applying ED or SCEA – this is the part that causes a lot of sleep loss for recruits and their parents. Basically you’re being asked to use your one-and-only early application to a school that  rejects 9 of 10 applicants and the coach has made it clear that he will put you up for a Likely Letter, but ultimately, the acceptance decision is out of his hands.

So  to get back to the questions, if an Ivy coach asks you to go EA or ED but can’t offer to list you for a Likely Letter, you should definitely be wary. Actually, thank him for being straightforward and telling you that you will not be supported. It makes your decision much easier – absolutely pursue other options.

As for the second part of your question, how do you reduce the chances of being blind-sided during this process? Asking direct questions is important, of course. Listening is even more important. There’s a line in The Boxer, by Simon and Garfunkel (showing my age here)

“…still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”

Before you pull the trigger on that ED or SCEA application, you need to know that your transcripts and test scores have had a positive pre-read with admissions. You also need to know that the head coach will be submitting your name to admissions for  Likely Letter consideration. I’m stressing head coach because it has happened where an assistant coach has been gung-ho and assured the recruit of support, only to be denied when the head coach decided on other recruiting priorities.

One other important way to protect yourself is to get this done early. When we went though the Ivy recruiting process it all came to an incredibly stressful boiling point on the night before of the ED/EA deadline. Next, I’ll go into more detail on timing the application process to help minimize the stress and leave you with a backup in case things don’t work out.




Harvard Academic Standards for Athletes

I was watching the first round of NCAA Basketball and Harvard played a great game against New Mexico. One of the announcers said something to the effect of, ‘since Harvard has relaxed their academic standards for athletes, they’ve really turned things around.’

Well, as it turns out, Harvard hasn’t relaxed academic standards for athletes. If anything they are higher than ever. That’s right. As Harvard admissions have become more selective, test scores of the average student have risen and as a consequence the academic standard for Harvard athletes has also risen. Here’s how it works:

Throughout the Ivy League, there is a common agreement that specifies the academics required for incoming athletic recruits. The purpose of this is to make sure the athletes on campus are academically similar to the rest of the student body. The tool for evaluating academics is called the Academic Index. The Academic Index is calculated using a formula that takes into account SAT scores, ACT score and High School GPA. This number is calculated for the entire student body at each Ivy League school and the scores of the recruited athletes, taken as a group, must be within 1 standard deviation of that score. Standard deviation, in case your stats knowledge is rusty, is a measure of the variation in a set of data values, in this case Academic Index scores.curve2


So if the typical Harvard (non-athlete) student  index of 225 (estimated), the typical Harvard athlete would have an AI around 210 (estimated). What does a 210 AI look like in terms of test scores and GPA?  That’s about 680 per section on the SAT(2040 total) or a 30 composite ACT, along with a 3.7 unweighted GPA.

As admissions become more and more selective at Harvard, the academic standards for athletes rise accordingly.

Since we’re talking about the entire group of athletes falling within that range, that means that some lower index athletes can be recruited, as long as  they are balanced by a higher recruit. If Harvard chose to recruit from a bigger pool of  basketball players, for example, they could go after some players with lower Index scores, but they have to balance it out with higher index athletes.

Wesley Saunders, for example, the workhorse of the Harvard squad, was over 1800 on the SAT according to an ESPN article. That puts him around 200 for the Academic Index, depending on his GPA. That’s going to put him in the top 15-20% of all college-bound students in the US.

How does that compare with the minimum requirements established by the NCAA? Most Division I athletic programs only require an athlete to meet the NCAA standards to be an eligible recruit. According to the table published by the NCAA, there is a sliding scale of GPA and SAT scores. To be eligible with a 3.0 GPA, a recruit has to have a combined 620 on the math and verbal sections of the SAT. That’s somewhere around the 5th percentile. In other words, 95% of college-bound kids will score higher than that.

So you can see, at Harvard coach can only recruit from a very, very small subset of the players that are available to the rest of the Division I schools.

So while the concept of a true student-athlete is dying throughout much of Division I college athletics, it’s very much alive and well in the Ivy League.



Interpreting “Coachspeak” as a Recruit: Are You a Buyer or a Seller?

"She loves me, she loves me not...."

At the highly selective Tier 1 colleges, leveraging your athletic ability into admissions support is often the name of the game. Almost every school can offer some sort of admissions support to athletes with strong academics. The Ivy League has Likely Letters (as does the University of Chicago), the NESCAC has “tips” and “slots” (although not every NESCAC school uses those terms in their recruiting vocabulary), and MIT, Stanford and Patriot League schools all have varying degrees of support that a coach can provide.

The question is, how do you interpret the level of support that you’re getting? I get a lot of emails from athletes describing their dialogue with a coach and asking for my interpretation. Here’s one, for example:

“The coach has told me he thinks I would be a good addition to the team and he’s going to do his best to get me here, but at the end of the day it’s up to admissions. Does that mean I’ll be getting one of his slots?”

Okay, aside from the obvious advice -“ASK HIM”, how do you interpret “coachspeak”? How does a coach talk to a top recruit compared to one that’s on the bubble?

Are You the Buyer or the Seller?

One very good way to get a read on the tone of the interaction with a coach is to ask yourself, “Do I feel like the buyer or the seller in this relationship?”

The “buyer” in the relationship is the one who is evaluating choices. In the conventional sense of the word, the buyer is the one with the money and needs to be convinced that the seller is offering something worthwhile. In the Coach / Recruit relationship – the coach is trying to sell his product (the school and team) to the top recruits, while the lower level recruits are doing their best to sell their talents to the coach.

For example, are you the one making more of the calls and waiting for your messages and emails to be returned? If so, that sounds like you’re the seller.

Is the coach calling you regularly just to check in and let you know interesting or exciting things that are happening on the team? In that case, you’re the buyer – he’s the seller.

If he tells you that he thinks you could be an impact player right away instead of spending 2 years on the bench like you might at School X, he’s selling. But if he tells you that your times or academics are good, but he’d really like to see them at _____, he sees you as the seller, and your product needs to be a little better.

I think the buyer/seller analogy is a good way to help you interpret the strength of the coach’s commitment to you. But don’t make the mistake of thinking that acting like a buyer will give you an advantage. No, no, no. Acting like one who has a lot of choices to evaluate and really needs to be shown exactly why this school is better than the competition is a great way to be put on he “do not call” list as a potential attitude problem.

Be respectful, be polite and be professional as you go through the process. But when you’re trying to determine where you’re really wanted, ask yourself: Do you feel like a buyer or a seller?




Interpreting the Academic Index Number for Ivy League Athletes

We’re treading on dangerous ground here so I suppose I should start this with a big disclaimer. The number that you have calculated using the Academic Index calculator should only serve as a general guideline to help you plan your recruiting. Hitting certain numbers does not mean that you are assured of admission since many different factors go into determining admissibility.

The Academic Index is really a tool to evaluate large groups (teams, overall athletic cohort and entire student body.) That said, I think it’s helpful to be able to see where you stand in relation to other students and athletes.

Below are my interpretations of the strength of different AI ranges. These are based on interviews, articles and statements, but you should not consider them to be any sort of official guideline or standard.

Under 176

An Academic Index under 176 is below the minimum generally required to be recruited in the Ivy League.


I would classify AIs in this range as “possible”, but weak. Nationally known, big-time recruits in high profile sports may be okay with an AI in this range.


We’re getting closer to the comfort range. This is still on the weaker side, but scores in this range may be adequate for highly desirable athletes in certain programs.


This equates to about 1850 -1900 combined SAT and 3.5 unweighted GPA and should put a recruit on fairly solid academic footing. Teams that tend to attract kids with stronger academics may want a little bit more.

Over 210

This is really where you want to be. With an AI over 210, I think it’s pretty unlikely that academics will be a deal killer in your athletic recruiting.


So much more goes into athletic recruiting in the Ivy League than the academic index. For a thorough overview of the process, check out The Essential Guide to Ivy League Athletic Recruiting